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Senior Associate Justice Paul Pfeifer (credit: sconet.state.oh.us)

Senior Associate Justice Paul Pfeifer (credit: sconet.state.oh.us)

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — As a young state senator 30 years ago, Paul Pfeifer helped write Ohio’s death penalty law. Today, as the senior member of the state Supreme Court, he’s trying to eliminate it.

It’s not uncommon for sitting judges to change their mind on the death penalty — U.S. Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun famously said in 1994 he would no longer “tinker with the machinery of death” — but Pfeifer may be the only one to argue so ardently against a capital punishment law he himself created, and yet continue to rule on death penalty cases.

“I have concluded that the death sentence makes no sense to me at this point when you can have life without the possibility of parole,” Pfeifer said in his most recent public comments, testifying in December in favor a bill to abolish Ohio’s law. “I don’t see what society gains from that.”

After the U.S. Supreme Court declared capital punishment unconstitutional in 1972, states spent several years rewriting their laws; those enacted by Florida, Georgia and Texas ultimately met the court’s threshold for constitutionality. Other states had to follow those models to have their laws upheld. Ohio’s first attempt, in 1974, was found unconstitutional, but the second try, when Pfeifer was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, was enacted in 1981 and has never been successfully challenged. Lawmakers pledged at the time to draft a law reserved for the most heinous murders.

At least two county prosecutors say Pfeifer should stop ruling on death sentences, including Hamilton County prosecutor Joe Deters, who said that Pfeifer’s actions were inappropriate. “It gives rise to a credible inference that he cannot be fair to both sides,” Deters said recently.

Pfeifer’s position is unusual but on solid legal ground as long as he keeps his opinions out of his rulings, said Marianna Bettman, a University of Cincinnati law professor and former state appeals court judge.

Ohio has 148 inmates on death row. Executions are temporarily on hold while federal courts review the state’s lethal injection procedures, but that delay is not expected to last forever. The Democrat-sponsored bill to abolish the death penalty has little chance of passing.

Pfeifer, a Republican, has always charted his own course on the court. For years he was a member of a foursome — two Democrats and two moderate Republicans — dubbed “the Gang of Four” for a series of 4-3 rulings that critics said were anti-business and favored Democrats and their causes. He’s also not afraid of mud-slinging: In his spare time, the lifelong farmer raises Black Angus cattle.

Pfeifer had been on the court only two years when, in 1994, he dissented on a vote upholding the death penalty for a man sentenced to death for shooting his ex-girlfriend at the elementary school where she worked as a custodian. Already, he appeared to be having his doubts, writing that “the death penalty is special” and should be “reserved for those committing what the state views as the most heinous of murders.” That defendant, John Simko, died of natural causes on death row in 1997.

Pfeifer made similar statements in court opinions over the years. He took his position public in 2001, calling unsuccessfully for an independent panel to review the law. He began to complain that prosecutors were overusing the statute, seeking death sentences in domestic quarrels that went bad instead of for the worst of the worst killers.

He often cites the case of Richard Nields, who murdered his girlfriend in their southwestern Ohio home in 1997, then stole her car and travelers’ checks, as an example of overreaching by prosecutors.

“This case is not about robbery,” Pfeifer wrote in his dissent to the court’s 2001 decision upholding Nields’ death sentence. “It is about alcoholism, rage and rejection and about Nields’ inability to cope with any of them.” Ultimately, Gov. Ted Strickland agreed and in 2010 changed Nields’ sentence to life without parole.

In January 2011, Pfeifer made his strongest statements to date, calling on Gov. John Kasich to empty death row.

Pfeifer says he’s required as a judge to take positions to make laws better, hence his current stand. He’s also required to rule according to the law and the Constitution, which he says he does. Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor says she’s comfortable Pfeifer is following the law and not showing bias.

Since 2001, Pfeifer has written the majority opinion upholding death sentences in five cases, dissented in two others and upheld death sentences while disagreeing on aspects of the decision in four other cases.

As recently as December, Pfeifer set an execution date, signing the order for a man who raped and killed his girlfriend’s 3-year-old daughter.

Ohio first allowed the option of life without parole instead of a death sentence in 1996, then changed the law in 2005 to make it even easier to put killers behind bars for life while skipping death penalty charges altogether. Pfeifer says those changes have made the death penalty unnecessary.

State Rep. Ron Young, a conservative Republican, challenged Pfeifer on this point in December, arguing that removing the death penalty would create a slippery slope where eventually life without parole would be challenged as too harsh.

Pfeifer’s experience as a death penalty supporter-turned-opponent is not isolated.

Gerald Kogan, a retired chief justice of the Florida Supreme Court who prosecuted death penalty cases early in his legal career, now says the death penalty should be abolished, with the possible exception of worst of the worst defendants such as Osama bin Laden or a mass serial killer.

Rudy Gerber helped write Arizona’s death penalty law in the 1970s but now opposes capital punishment and represents death row defendants trying to escape the law he created.

In California, Don Heller authored a 1978 ballot initiative that created the state’s death penalty law. Thirty years later, with more than 700 inmates on death row, Heller has changed course and is advocating the law’s demise, saying it’s too prone to human error.

(© Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

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  • Ryan K

    Conflict of interest??

  • Ned Stark

    How so? He’s demonstrated excellent judgment and ability to carry out his duty completely regardless of his personal views:

    “Since 2001, Pfeifer has written the majority opinion upholding death sentences in five cases, dissented in two others, and upheld death sentences while disagreeing on aspects of the decision in four other cases.

    As recently as December, Pfeifer set an execution date, signing the order for a man who raped and killed his girlfriend’s 3-year-old daughter.”

    Or did you not read the article?

  • Gunny G

    Impeach the moron. He’s senile.

  • GregT

    “I don’t see what society gains from it (the death penalty).” Really? Justice, you numb skull. Justice! When life is allowed to continue with three square meals a day, a roof over your head and free medical care, what is the incentive to avoid crime? If they killed someone, let them by tried, and after exhausted appeals, hooked up to the juice.

  • Ned Stark

    Revenge is not justice. Revenge is the motive of subhuman slime.

    If you think prison is such a fantastic incentive, why aren’t you in there?

  • mark r. magliano

    lose your daughter, …………..”zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz” grow up

    life doesn’t mean s.h.i.t!

  • Garr Obo

    Look, it’s all about money. It costs around $15,000,000 to keep a killer in prison for the 12-15 years it takes to go through all the appeals at taxpayer’s expense. Actual life in prison costs upwards of $20,000 a year to keep a killer in prison for life. Add it up folks. It would take 75 years of prison time to equal fifteen millions. If most of the appeal process was eliminated and the assholes burned right away then I say do it. Otherwise it’s much cheaper to keep them shut down.

  • Robert Nagel

    The sentence of life without parole does not mean without parole. It means life without parole unless the defendant gets a sympathetic ear of some celebrity. then it becomes a much lesser sentence. There are many examples of celebrities causing a prisoner to get favored treatment and released early.
    Norman Mailer got Jack Abbott released early because he wrote a book about prison life. Promptly on release he killed a waiter and went back to prison.
    Mumia Abdul Jamal killed a cop in Pennsylvania and was sentenced to death. The evidence was overwhelming and yet with the passage of enough time the celebrities were able to get his sentence reduced.
    this will be a constant burden for those who don’t have 24 hour protection in their gated communities. Can we afford to indulge them at our risk? I think not.
    When Judge Pfeifer agrees to bear a portion of the burden of his flight of personal fancy then we can discuss this. However, he will feel much better about himself at the risk of lesser criminals and guards at the prisons.

  • Dan N

    The last time I checked murder WAS heinous. How is it that he justifies this by saying “it should be reserved for the most heinous of murderers”? I can understand certain accidental vehicular homicide and things of that nature, but if someone gets a gun (or any other weapon) and plans out an attack – like the gentelman who went to the school and shot his girlfriend – then they should be put to death….immediately. We have too much pity for these people that complain of depression and sadness for their crimes. I’ve been depressed. I’ve been sad. I’ve also NEVER even thought about killing someone! The reason that life without parole is not a justifiable option is that I, along with millions of other Americans, are paying the tab!

  • NeverSurrender

    This is why judges should not get lifetime appointments. They get old and start think about their own end of life. Then they start feeling sorry for people rather than staying odjective!

  • JoJo

    The sense that it makes you senile old man is that allowing these monsters to live allows them to have hope. Hope that someday they will be free to live a life again. That type of Hope is exactly what the vast majority of death row inmates took away from their victims and the families of those they hurt.

    Since DNA evidence has become so common place in freeing people that supposedly did not commit the crime, any DNA evidence found that links a person to a violent crime should be grounds for an immediate guilty verdict and maximum penalty, including forfeiture of all but 1 appeal. Everybody should have at least one additional attempt to explain their actions, however irrelevant the argument.

  • Thoughtcriminal

    Well, I can think of one thing that society gains from the death penalty vs life.

    Lower prison populations, therefore lower government spending, therefore lower taxes.

  • George Johnson

    It’s not about revenge. Some people, through their actions, simply prove to the rest of society, that they are incapable of living among the civilized. That they can not function as civilized human beings, and forfeit their “right” to live among us. Ideally, their life should be ended as soon as possible. But in this age of liberalism, it goes on and on and on, THAT is what’s costing the state so much money, not the death, but the LIFE of the criminal. In some cases, over 20 years. that’s just WAY too long. And if it were up to me, they should be put to death in the same way their killed their victims, but hey, that’s just me. If it was good enough for them to use, then by God, it should be good enough for US to use too.

  • George Johnson

    So, you just made the argument for killing them sooner, not not at all.

    It’s not their death that costs so much, but their LIFE!

  • crypticguise

    Another lawyer in black robes, a jackass, making law from the bench. Impeach him.

  • George Johnson

    Liberals will chip away “life with no parole” also. Just like they’re chipping away at the death penalty, they’ll chip away at parole.
    They’ll say Life without parole should be good enough! Keep ‘em in prison for their lives!!”
    Then later, just like now, they’ll come back and say “Nobody should ever be in prison for the rest of their entire lives! What’s the point!!”
    This is how radical liberalism works folks! Wake up. They are like AlQueada, they have plenty of time, and they simply chi away at everything until we give in, and they get what they want. It may take time, and they get it in small increments, but they get their way. Just compare the great USA to 60, 80 years ago. Radical Liberals have gotten almost everything they have wanted.

  • Neddy

    Why is society so quick to kill innocent pre-born babies, but so reluctant to dispose of guity and monstrous criminals? At least the death penalty is humane, unlike the abortionist tools of death. If we are so concerned bout overpopulation, incarceration expenses, and for that matter carbon footprints, killing these criminals should be a no-brainer.

  • Serf #411231009

    “instead of for the worst of the worst killers”

    Allow me to expand on this for you. There are “worst of the worst,” and there are “everyday” killers. If commoners and undesirable rabble happen to be murdered by these “everyday” killers, oh well. That’s what you get for being lowborn.

  • Karen

    How sad this judge does not think killing a defenseless woman is heinous. He excuses a man who murders a woman as a “alcoholic”. For too long, men have excused the abuse of women (Bobby Brown is now forgive???)

    Men are not allowed to kill women in “domestics”. It is murder. This judge minimized the terror women experience – especially the ones who actually leave the abuser, and are then murdered.

  • dave

    What does society gain by a death sentence instead of life without the possibility of parole?

    About a million dollars per year per inmate, I believe.

  • Ned Stark

    The death penalty should be reserved for those who remain a threat to society by their very continued existence. That’s it. Everything else is just revenge, “he killed someone, so let’s kill him.” Sure it feels good but nothing done out of anger or hate bears good fruit. The slippery slope argument in this case is absurd, since MORE people are put to death by the state now than were 80 years ago.

    “He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.” -Thomas Paine

  • Marty Pantz

    When they die in the electric chair, the definitely leave a carbon footprint – or two.

    Ooop, pardon me, maybe this isn’t the place for gallows humour.

  • walter12

    Just another cowardly, weak willed, wimpish, weakling, leftist judge. What about the victims?

  • Ned Stark

    What is the value of a human life? Who are you to place a dollar value on it?

  • Ned Stark

    Does avenging the deaths of the victims bring them back to life?

    Who are you to speak for the dead and say they would want their killer to die too?

  • TGC

    So these judges don’t mind putting these murderers into prison for life huh…so what happens when these guys, that have already killed, decide to kill someone in prison? They know there is nothing more that can be done to them…they are already doing life without parole. I guess the life of someone that is in prison for a far lesser crime than murder doesn’t really matter to these liberals.

  • stoptouchingthatmabel

    It is called the death PENALTY that is what happens to you if you kill another human being, PENALTY. It is not supposed to be a deterrent it is a PENALTY a punishment. The state takes too long after the atrocity has been committed to carry out the sentence. It is very simple if you do this to another person we will do this to you.

  • Ned Stark

    Or maybe they start to think about all the decisions they made when they were younger and thinking with their emotions instead of their minds.

  • Jason

    Did this judge not hear about the Governor who PARDONED convicted murderers?
    Capital punishment saves lives. There’s no repeat offenders after death row.

  • Jason

    I favor solar powered execution chambers; perhaps multiple mirrors focused in on the criminal.

  • actions not words

    People who are sentenced to life in prison “with no possibility of parole” are routinely released due to overcrowding and immediately start killing again. That sentence is a placebo with no meaning whatsoever.

  • beam

    and who might you be?

  • please

    Why do you place absolutely no value on previous/potential victim’s lives? Is one murderer worth more than all his past, present and future victims?

  • John Moser

    You’re nothing like Ned Stark. You’re more of a Pycelle.

  • Think Before Typing

    Please provide a link. Because I think you’re wrong.

  • Think Before Typing

    Umm, you know a death sentence costs more than the average life sentence, right? http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

  • Think Before Typing

    Logical fail.

  • WJ FOLLIN

    NED,YOU ARE A COMPLETE LIBERAL IDIOT.LET SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY GET RAPED AND TORTURED AND THEN KILLED.LETS SEE IF YOUR LIMP WRISTED,LIBERAL,”LETS GIVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE “ATTITUDE APPLIES!!!

  • frank k.

    To Ned : For openers , I somehow doubt that you’d be singing the same old tune if it YOUR wife , or daughter was the victim …. Secondly , at the very least once a mrdering bozo gets to “ride-the-needle” , he ca NEVER kill again , as others who were released have done … Finally , I’m not in prison because I have done nothing to warrant being there ( Duh ! ) …. frank k.

  • Think Before Typing

    WJ FOLLIN:

    Who’s getting another chance? Life without parole means no more chances. It’s an economic argument–it’s cheaper to keep the killer in prison than it is to execute him. This is due to the mandatory appeals and procedures required under the Constitution when a person’s life is at stake. You can gripe all you want about the merits of that, but you can’t change the facts about the cost of the added due process required in capital cases.

  • John Moser

    In reality, which you clearly aren’t well acquainted with, executions in the last decade are a third the number of execution in 1930-39. Everything else you spout is similarly deceitful or nonsensical.

  • SharpShtik

    Thank Democrats and RINOs like this for incredibly simple and inexpensive things being made impossible or insanely expensive, including the carrying out the death penalty. Democrats abolished the death penalty for men who attack, rape and mutilate girls and women so long as they don’t kill them. It makes sense since DOJ/FBI statistics prove Democrats commit essentially all violent crime. For example, 96% of blacks vote for Democrats and blacks commit the majority of all violent crime despite being 13% of the population.

  • JROCK

    Let me kill your Family NED…… and then we will see if your opinions on “revenge” are changed. Justice, is revenge, executed, rightously. Grow a set NED.

  • SharpShtik

    Thanks only to Democrats’ misinterpretation of the Constitution about what taxpayers are forced to pay for murderous criminals, i.e., Democrats.

  • Anti NED STARK

    The Value of a convicted Murderers life is the exact cost of the Bullet that it takes to send him to the hereafter. Ned Stark… yours isnt worth much more above that.

  • Anti NED STARK

    God… please kill all liberals….. soon.

  • Think Before Typing

    You referring to the Nixon-appointed Blackmun? The Ford-appointed Stevens? Or maybe the Eisenhower-appointed Earl Warren?

    Or maybe you just don’t understand what “due process” is.

  • Think Before Typing

    A judgmental little bunch of whiners, aren’t you? It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that you’re wrong and so self-righteous.

  • American

    The Death Penalty should not be the choice of the state, but instead a option afforded for the victim’s family to hand down,
    Judges are there to manage the court hearings in a just and balanced proceeding.

  • Matt Phinish

    The death penalty isn’t a penalty at all. It’s an easy out. I want them denied their freedom and ability to do what they want, when they want, for the rest of their lives.
    Some would say that God is going to punish them for eternity for their crime.
    I agree, but eternity isn’t long enough. I want them punished for the rest of their AND THEN eternity.

  • Michael

    Thank you for posting this comment. What I thought right when this moron stated that. Let these leaches live off his paycheck then, not yours or mine.

  • richmondtommy

    I bet your opinion of revenge would change if your child, mother, wife or other person you loved was savagely murdered.

  • Hang’em High

    Thank You!
    By abolishing the death penalty, you’re cheapening the value of life. That’s a typical lawyer/democrat stance. It’s the culture of death.

  • Cromulent

    From the article:

    “I don’t see what society gains from that.”

    So…… is there a clause in Ohio’s constitution that enjoins a justice to consider “what society gains” when judging the legality of a statute? Or is that the proper province of the popular will as expressed thru its legislature?

  • cleanfun

    What exactly do you think justice is, Ned?

  • Hang’em High

    BS! He has no moral compass. The article nearly said so much. He doesn’t think a domestic violence death is as worthy as some other death. He’s a fool.

  • Mark M.

    Another idiot from the Judiciary that forgets it’s not his JOB to second guess the legislature.

    Here’s a clue Judge: There is a difference between Vengeance and Justice. The state’s job is to dispense Justice. It does so by *Avenging* the victims of people unfit to live.

  • Scott A

    All first degree murders are of such a heinous measure that the death penalty should be applied to all of the cases. Anyone who with premeditation murders another deserves the death penalty.

    There is no such thing as life without the possibility of parole. We have seen in recent years people who were sentenced to life in prison get out due to “hardship” cases (usually when they have a terminal illness). Also some murderers will appeal their conviction for decades hoping that witnesses pass away and they can start to make allegations that can no longer be testified to by those witnesses.

  • Mike G

    It’s for those who lay in wait and think about how to do it to get away with it that also have no remorse or just want to play GOD.
    God said send the murders to me to Judge. Why is this Judge second guessing God, is he confused? Lead follow or get out of the way. Due process exhaust all effort to make sure it’s right then get a rope if they don’t have the drugs hang em high! Besides you can re-use the rope. Do it out in the open and make sure enough people see. Things will cool down real quick after that.

  • Hang’em High

    Who are you to allow them a free pass? Aiding and abetting murderers.

  • Hang’em High

    I don’t want prisons Full of Killers. It’s too dangerous for the non-violent offenders who will eventually return to society.

  • Hang’em High

    In my Grand-dad’s time, they still had hangings on the Town Square. Penalty and Deterrance in one drop of the trap door!

  • Freeland Dave

    I am still for a death penalty after all avenues of the law have been explored. Most certainly I don’t want to see an innocent be executed but having said that I definitely do not want to warehouse a person for the remainder of his or her life.

    Why?

    It’s simple. Locking someone up for the remainder of their life is a form of cruelty far worse than mercifully putting an end to that person.

    Do people really believe it’s a just punishment to torture a human by locking him or her away for the remainder of their years with no possibility of attaining any semblance of freedom again?

    I suppose they do, and yet they espouse Christian ideals. Funny thing though when we face our final judgment, according to God’s word in Scripture, what is the fate of the unforgiven sinner? If you think they are consigned to an eternal torture in a man made envision of Hell then you had better go back and study God’s word to see what he is going to do.

    Where does man, especially the person that believes in the one God, come off doing things differently than God would do them?

    Something to think about as you evaluate these things. And for the Christian it even has more meaning. Please think about it before you start doing things.

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  • Hang’em High

    Van der Sloot only got 28 years for killing that young lady in Ecuador. So, their laws, basically, were saying her life was only worth 28 years. The max would have been 30. I would shoot him for free with my own gun and save the taxpayers of Ecuador a lot of money. Maybe someone will do him in like Jeff Dalmer.

  • WeHaveNoPresident

    Do people who commit treason still receive the death penalty? I was just wondering because of the coup and cover up if the unelected officials who pulled it off were operating in an above-the-law-untouchable capacity? You be the judge

    http://PalinsDirtyLittleSecret.blogspot.com

  • sam

    There has never been a guarantee that life without parole means no release. All it takes is a jailbreak or some lib judge to change a sentence. Death is the only guarantee that someone will never do harm to another person ever again.

  • Jubal

    Let those that push for ‘life without parole’ shoulder the financial burden of keeping those people in prison themselves.

  • Dennis D

    Life without parole creates prisoners with nothing to lose. Corrections officers and prison nurses or doctors are placed in danger.

  • pitter43

    The death penalty for a murderer isn’t revenge, it it justice.

  • The Bruce

    Ned wrote: “Revenge is not justice. Revenge is the motive of subhuman slime.”

    It’s not revenge, Ned, it’s justice. Picture this in your mind:

    Let’s say an intruder broke into your house, and began raping your wife at gunpoint. You burst into the room, with a gun in your hand. After assessing the situation, you believe that the rapist is about to murder your wife with this gun.

    Do you shoot him? Do you prevent him from murdering your wife? If so, then your previous argument is nothing more than a bunch of pompous, theoretical BS, because you’d be willing to kill him to prevent him from committing the crime in the first place (killing your wife). If you sit back and do nothing but watch, you’re as much a monster as he is.

    If you’re willing to kill him to prevent him from killing your wife, why on Earth would you object to the State killing him if he actually did it????

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    It’s all well and good to take the snooty “high road,” but I wonder how you’d think if it was your own family involved.

  • Scotpatriot

    Yes -but his job as a judge is to apply the law and allow the appropriate application of the law- not to ” make laws better” as he states- that is the job of legislaters who are elected.

  • impeach this judge now

    I loved this quote from the judge — “I have concluded that the death sentence makes no sense to me at this point when you can have life without the possibility of parole,” Pfeifer said in his most recent public comments, testifying in December in favor a bill to abolish Ohio’s law. “I don’t see what society gains from that.” —– well you know what judge, you aren’t a dictator whose opinion is law. Just because you don;’t see value in the death penalty doesn;’t mean it doesn’t have value or that it shouldn’t be the law. I for one think the death penalty is the only just sentence in many crimes. I’m so sick of judges imposing their opinions when they should be imposing the law…

  • impeach this judge now

    If you listen to the far left bleeding heart crowd, you recognize a disturbing trend – (1) the all want to elminate the death penalty (2) some even want to eliminate life imprisonment (3) a few even want to eliminate imprisonment all together saying that it is better to confine the person to their home so that they can still work and take care of their family. I think the guy quoted from the article is correct – it won’t be long after the death penalty is outlawed that many of these bleeding hearts will start campaigning to eliminted life imprisonment. And after there is no life imprisonment they will jump on the bandwagon of eliminating prision for most offenses. If you watch American politics, this eventual state of affairs is clear.

  • Dan Linder

    Paul pfieffer is not conertive, let alone a republican. This turkey is a liberal to the core. Ohio needs a Conservative to beat him as soon as his next election. Dan p.

  • Whatever

    The death penalty is a cop-out. Why let someone off so easily? Why let the states and government pay for the costly procedures of law by the tax payer? It’s much cheaper to house a criminal for life than to to execute.

    I’ve been a victim of a near grave crime. No way do I want my perpetrator to have an easy out. I want him to suffer a long unnatural life between four walls and a shower room that is unmonitored. That is justice…. and that goes with the grain of the bible.

    Thou shalt not kill. I believe that includes governments and people in general. Seems everyone is above Gods law and that people want blood. The death penalty is an aberration to the very bible so many of us seem to cling too.

  • michael

    who gives a popcorn fart whether he believes in the death penalty or not? its not his JOB to make the law, only to apply it. when did we acquiesce to this notion that judges are allowed to impose their values and judgments on us, independent of the law that they, like us, are obliged to obey?

  • Rod Miller

    I held the same views as the Justice for many years and I too have changed my mind about the death penalty. Overzealous police officers and prosecutors often do not seek justice, but try to embellish their conviction records. I could go on for hours on this observation.

    DNA testing has freed many wrongly convicted innocent people. Erring on the side of caution makes sense, except whether or not there is reasonable doubt as to guilt. DNA and well-supported video evidence is the key and if someone is caught red-handed … kill ‘em!

  • Jubal

    As a culture, as a society, we have no problem in recognizing, isolating, and humanely destroying a rabid animal. Yet, so many have a problem recognizing the simple fact that some people are even more dangerous than that skunk, or bat, or dog. What does capital punishment gain for society? No, it will not ‘balance the books’…that’s not our pay grade; it will remove a clear and present threat from society in a manner that will prevent a soft-headed, but well-meaning idiot from turning the animal loose. It is cost-effective, and is a 100% cure for recidivism.

  • Huuf Arted

    The Death Penalty is a 100% effective prevention for the commission of additional murders by the convicted murderer. Life is prison without parole is a license to kill for the convict and a danger to all the others they are in contact with and the basis for most prison gang violence. Lastly it costs $ to keep convicted murderers in prison for like that could be spent saving or enhancing innocent lives…

  • joel

    Cannot agree more.

    This lame headed judge thinks killing an innocent adult woman is not a heinous crime.

    Just shows how cheap life has become.

  • Jubal

    The passage in the Bible so often mis-quoted is “Thou shalt do no murder.” Meaning killing by stealth or for profit. There’s a big difference there. Please, study the text before you try to quote it.

    Also, with today’s advent of DNA testing, as well as the chemistry of so-called ‘truth’ drugs, and the various technologies for voice stress analysis, as well as polygraph, the veracity of testimony as well as evidence is quite reliable. There is no reason, and, actually no concrete data, to show that a summary execution is more expensive than $50,000-100,000 a year for warehousing a violent criminal.

  • george

    Memo to Congress and all state legislatures: Please make sure that all future legislation “makes sense” to any and all judges everywhere.

  • george

    The ball got rolling way back in 1803 with Marbury v. Madison, when the SCOTUS declared itself entitled to decide when laws are or are not constitutional. This remarkable power grab was seized by the horns more than 100 years later, when the so-called “Warren Court” went on a drunken spree of rewriting the Constitution in its own leftist image. And that is where remain today, except that it has only gotten worse. Now we have Supreme Court justices citing foreign law in defense of their crackpot views. These clowns serve for life and are next to impossible to remove from office. For better or worse, they lay down the law of the land. They are answerable to nobody. In short, they exercise a form of tyranny.

  • rlafr001

    Im tired of these stories. Come on apocalypse. http://how-to-survive-the-apocalypse.blogspot.com

  • george

    Not to mention the lib judges who wave their magic wands and decide that EUREKA! The prisons are overcroded! Let half of ‘em out, and do it now!

  • Gummint Idjuts

    Leave them alive only to be pardoned by GOP governors so they can rape and murder again.

  • Ned Stark

    That’s the best! I’ve never been called a Liberal before! hahahaha

    Killing is only justifiable in the defense of life and liberty. Period. In those cases, it should be carried out with all due diligence.

    Anything else is evil, and you all can live with your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance, that’s your burden to bear. Once someone is no longer a threat, any action taken to harm them is revenge, pure and simple. Imprison them for life, put them to work so they carry their weight, and throw away the keys.

  • Ned Stark

    Speaking of God:

    “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

  • Ned Stark

    There is a vast difference between killing to protect the life and liberty of someone and killing after the fact. If someone is in the commission of something horrible, shoot twice and never blink an eye, never lose a wink of sleep. The fact is, the threat is neutralized once they are in a maximum security prison. They won’t harm another innocent again, if you have the spine to do it right.

    Nobody can explain how killing someone who is no longer a threat is anything BUT revenge. Just a lot of tapdancing around that fact, hateful (and poorly written) attacks.

    Kill when it is just. It is not just when the target is subdued and restrained, no longer a threat to others.

    That is REVENGE.

    The only halfway sane answer so far argues the criminal’s right to continue to live among us being waived. My answer to that is that I don’t have the power to enforce the victims right to live, why do I have the power to rescind the murderer’s right to live? I don’t.

    Throw them in the hole. Use them for labor. Let them rot, never to see the sun again.

    Anything else is revenge. Cold-blooded I might add. No different than a mob retribution killing.

  • Ned Stark

    While I agree he has no moral compass, and that his justification for what is or isn’t heinous is both subjective and flawed*, the fact is people change their minds as they get older.

    I used to be 100% for the death penalty. Then I realized I hadn’t really given it much thought and was just reacting in anger.

    * For this he should be replaced

  • Ned Stark

    Source, Moser?

    You think you could possibly post something on the internet that isn’t also an insult? Are you so full of rage and lacking in self-control that it spills at the first chance to lash out at someone without a consequence?

    How is killing someone after the fact anything BUT revenge?

    re·venge /riˈvenj/
    Noun:
    The action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for a wrong suffered at their hands.

  • Ned Stark

    Exactly. Getting rid of the endless appeals necessitated by the fact that none of us wants to accidentally put an innocent man to death would lower the per-prisoner costs to a fraction of what it is now.

    Either that or we start just killing everyone convicted of murder. Nobody innocent was ever railroaded in this country. /sarcasm

    The day I trust the government to never make a mistake in the judicial system is the day I’ll trust them to run my healthcare, provide my job, provide my home, etc.

    That day’s not ever going to come.

  • Ned Stark

    While I share your disdain for Liberalism, I question the intelligence and rectitude of your wishes, and caution you against praying for harm to fall on others.

    You are no conservative, FYI. A conservative would never trust the government with determining the fate of a person’s life. A conservative would never trust the state to find the right person, the one who actually committed the crime.

    I hope you don’t hemorrhage at this glaring inconsistency being illuminated for you.

  • Cullem

    “In January 2011, Pfeifer made his strongest statements to date, calling on Gov. John Kasich to empty death row” No problem. I got a box of bullets right here…

  • Ned Stark

    Good prisons separate the violent offenders. Beyond that, the better ones separate them even further by their continued actions and attitudes. In most efficient prisons today, a thief won’t be in the same population as a murderer, and the murderers are further divided based on gang affiliations and whether or not they pose a risk to others inside.

    Not only does this reduce crime within the prison itself, it makes handling prisoners a lot safer for staff and reduces the number of convicts who lengthen their sentences while in prison through bad conduct.

    As you said, this also protects society by keeping the insane ones away from the ones who will find themselves out on the street some day, hopefully looking for a job and not a victim.

  • TheTRUTH

    Actually, while Garr may be right in his state, in mine it costs about 6-7 million to exhaust all appeals afforded. That’s California for you, and also if nothing is ever overturned or REturned, but lets say nothing is…it costs just under 20K per year to keep these death row prisoners locked up, NOT ordinary prisoners, but death row ones, and their life sucks a55. I feel that justice is far better served up with climbing the freakin’ walls for 40 years or so before you die, alone cold, and forgotten in your crappy little cell. It justice by definition. Sure, contemplating death may suck. but eventually you get over that by way of injection, and you just go to sleep/ Me , I want them to live it, knowing they’re doomed until a greater power pulls the plug.

    meanwhile, you got all those years to prove your innocence, and the incredibly small % of those who ARE in fact innocent will likely be able to prove that, so we have some semblance of justice there as well.

    Killers cost us too much already in terms of life; why let them cost us obscene $$’s as well making a mockery of the appeals system? Life without parole is torture, pure and simple, and I’m ok with that.

  • Doug Lynn

    I have no problem with life without parol as long as it is life at self financing hard labor. Murderers living off the tax dollars of their victims family and friends is cruel and unusual purnishment in the extreme.

  • TheTRUTH

    That’s not even remotely true. You have no source and could not produce one to save your life. You’re an amazingly stupid individual, and ought to be beaten to within an inch of your life just for being so stupid.

  • JM Mossen

    To many criminals going inside is just another way of life that they are used to and do not really fear. From my experience with dealing with these low lives I can assure you they don’t fear prison it is just a hazard of their profession and will repeat their crimes given a chance. The choice of life without parole should be given to the victims family if there are none go with the premise if executed they will not be a repeat offender.

  • JM Mossen

    No one executed for committing a homicide has ever repeated the offense. no one can argue differently.

  • JM Mossen

    Life to a murderer means nothing so if they are executed it should mean nothing to them.

  • Publius

    Ned,

    I assume you have access to a Bible. I assume you know that God commands the death penalty for several crimes. I assume you know that God institutes a legal system in the Old Testament to be executed by judges for the purpose of avoiding the victim from carrying out justice on his own by “getting revenge.” Therefore I assume you know you are deliberately misapplying a Bible verse to support your own view of justice, rather than God’s, or the U.S. Constitution’s.

    If I am correct in my assumptions, you are dishonest. If I am incorrect, I encourage you to become better educated before you harden your positions and slander others who have a different opinion than you do.

  • RB

    Ever heard of the phrase “reductio ad absurdum” Ned? You’re the poster child.

  • RB

    Ah, here we have the accountant, counting dollars and discounting justice. It’s true, if you live in Cali, you live in a state of insanity. There are “people”, and I use that word advisedly, who do such barbaric, heinous things to their fellow humans that it is repugnant to allow them to draw another breath.

  • RB

    Regressives like Ned crack me up. They pick up their dust-covered Bibles to find a fitting Biblical phrase for their argument, but they themselves are likely to be atheists. When I was young and foolish I attended a Lefty church which was all abuzz over a project to send toothbrushes to prison inmates. This struck me as odd, since prisioners could purchase toothbrushes from their prison wages. Instead I suggested we focus on the VICTIMS of these prisioners. Dead silence. Not a comment and not a word spoken about my suggestion ever again. Sympathy for the Devil, it’s a perversity with these people.

  • http://fr33agents.com/ohio-justice-changes-stance-on-death-penalty/ Ohio Justice Changes Stance on Death Penalty | Fr33 Agents

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  • james keefer

    If they were commited in California, they would die of old age on death row while the people would spend incredible amounts on legal appeales. If sentenced to life without parol, they would be released early for good behavier or when the government ran out of money.

  • Bob Hilliard

    Exactly. So..take a theoretical example. You are a robber. In the act of robbing a bank, you have to kill someone. There are many witnesses. Innocent witnesses. You know, as a veteran criminal, that there is no threat of death in court, so what do you have to lost by killing all the witnesses? Hey, it;’s possible to get away with it if you kill all the witnesses, yes? And even if you get caught, the worst is still life without parole…….so …..just kill them all. No problem.

  • R Smith

    It should not be called the death penalty. It should be called the death alternative. This alternative would protect victims from the behavior of criminals. When one is finally declared guilty, the focus should be shifted to the victims’ protection and the methods to accomplish this.

  • st

    Just having the option is a step away from liberty and freedom. The next instant the public is sensationalized against a group or a certain act the death penalty will be expanded. It is best not to walk along the edge of that chasm. Remember everyone has someone they wish were dead. Presidential candidate Newt G. has repeatedly said he want the death penalty for Marijuana possession. I have heard many people advocating the punishment for child molestation and for being on welfare to long.

  • Bob C

    And Ned, why should the taxpayer be saddled for well over $50k per year to keep a killer alive? He gets his hbo, college education, and all the other perks that many of us LAW ABIDING citizens can’t afford.

  • Archer

    So you think keeping hardened criminals on a permanent “time out” is a better idea than ending their existence?
    Speak for yourself, I don’t appreciate my tax dollars paying for the health and keeping of a murderer, rapist or child molester.

  • TiredOfbadJudges

    “Pfeifer says he’s required as a judge to take positions to make laws better, hence his current stand. ”
    I stopped reading after that. That is NOT what is required of a judge. In any state. At all. a judge’s role is 2 things: Interpret existing laws and, if necessary issue punishment

    They are required by law to vote entirely on the current rule of law, not what they want the law to be. This judge needs to be recalled or

  • Diogenes

    For perspective, this is the justice who interpreted an Ohio statute requiring auto insurers to offer their customers uninsured motorist coverage as requiring one’s employer’s automobile insurer to pay them benefits if a relative who was not associated with the employer in any way was killed in a car crash. Scott-Pontzer; Ezawa v. Yasuda Fire & Marine Ins. Co. Moreover, without any justification for doing so, he and the Gang of Four incorporated an Illinois uninsured motorist statute into the Ohio statute, and then construed its provisions more strictly than Illinois courts as to render it nearly impossible to reject uninsured motorist coverage even when the insured unequivocally wished to do so. Linko v. Indemnity Ins. Co. of NA. When Ohio’s General Assembly changed the statute to prevent this outcome, the Gang of Four simply ignored the changes, and in a one paragraph opinion, held that their prior decisions still applied. Kemper v. Michigan Millers Mut. Ins. Co. Ultimately, the General Assembly had to eliminate the mandatory uninsured motorist offer requirement entirely, making Ohio one of the few states in the country not to have such a law. In sum, during the six year period these cases were in effect, a select group of plaintiffs and their attorneys (who overwhelmingly support Pfeifer) benefited greatly, insurance companies paid out hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars for claims that could not have been foreseen, insurance premiums for the rest of Ohioans increased, and for the long term, Ohioans wound up with less insurance protection than most other Americans.

    This is just a microcosm of Ohio jurisprudence while the Gang of Four was in power. Pfeifer is the vestigial remnant. And you can’t blame the Democrats for this one. He keeps getting elected because the Republicans are perfectly happy to have one of their own elected without opposition despite his judicial philosophy.

  • Archer

    Nice strawman there, Ned.

    No one but you said anything about “revenge”.
    Absolute consequences breed fear of them. Life in prison is a life w/o hardships beyond the other prisoners.

  • Hieronymous Legisperitus

    He thinks his task as a judge is “to make laws better”?

    The task of a judge is to decide disputed issues according to the laws on the books.

    The task of legislators (law-makers) is to make laws . . . better.

    Impeach this judge who doesn’t know what a judge is required by law to do.

  • Archer

    Time for Ol’ Paul to retire.
    I understand being open minded, but this is being closed minded too.

    Don’t be so open minded that you lose it.

  • Zexufang

    I agree.
    ONLY impeachment can stop judicial tyranny – or (in this case) senility.

    And being old does not gaurantee wisdom; if uncertain, just ask my father-in-law how come his daughter is so stupid.

  • Eugene Clark

    When the murderer is a racist killer of blacks or a killer of gays or government workers you do not hear a peep from the liberal more moral-than-thou anti-death penalty people. I don’t recal any controversy when McVeigh was executed.

  • kentex1146

    99% of all lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. If judges are just lawyer’s wearing black robes and this is a logic problem, what’s the answer?

  • Cheech Malich

    He has come a long way since the wonder years

  • Anthony Borelli

    There is no such thing as “life without possibility of parole”. Aside from pardons from bleeding heart governors and presidents, In my home state of Massachusetts, we had a Governor who unilaterally decided to let lifers out of prison on weekend passes for good behavior.

    The only way to guarantee the most dangerous among us are never again among us… is the death penalty.

    This judge is also ignoring the fact that not everyone is afraid of jail. In fact, a great many people are more comfortable in the system than out of it. Almost everyone is afraid of dying. People can talk all they want about how a life sentence is “worse than death” but the suicide rates on death row aren’t measuarbly higher than the general prison population, indicating the vast majority PREFER their life sentence to dying.

    From a punishment and a prevention standpoint, the death penalty is superior. The only argument worth making against it, is it can not be overturned, and I conceed it is impossible to avoid mistakes.

    If there were any way to really guarantee they would stay behind bars forever, I would support elimination of the death penalty. But as we see all the time different administartions choosing to enforce or ignore different laws as they please, I believe the death penalty is the only way to really protect us from some criminals.

  • Kevin Arnold

    And here I always thought Paul Pfeifer grew up to be Marilyn Manson….

  • MartyB

    Needless to say, he’s another clown on the public nipple who couldn’t care less about the cost to taxpayers, not to mention the victims and society in general, for keeping human excrement alive until they die of natural causes at ripe, old ages.

  • Pope1944

    I’m sorry. I don’t get it. The judge says the death penalty should be “reserved for those committing what the state views as the most heinous of murders.” Is their a murder that is not heinous? Is someone less dead if the murderer really didn’t mean to do it. Prosecutors have the ability to choose to try a case as a manslaughter if they wish. Murder cases must prove “malice aforethought”. This judge, regardless of his politics, needs to respect the law and the will of the people. Keeping someone in prison for life without the possibility of parole will be the next thing the bleeding hearts go after as cruel and unusual punishment. Just remember the murder victim got the most cruel and unusual punishment of all.

  • mike

    Have you ever heard of Richard Speck? Murdered 6 nurses in Chicago. For hin and others, prison is a fantastic place.

  • Robert

    This sounds like what General Bragg did in his military service just before the civil war.
    A report about him was, “Bragg had a reputation for being a strict disciplinarian and one who adhered to regulations literally. There is a famous, apocryphal story, included in Ulysses S. Grant’s memoirs, about Bragg as a company commander at a frontier post where he also served as quartermaster. He submitted a requisition for supplies for his company, then as quartermaster declined to fill it. As company commander, he resubmitted the requisition, giving additional reasons for his requirements, but as the quartermaster he denied the request again. Realizing that he was at a personal impasse, he referred the matter to the post commandant, who exclaimed, “My God, Mr. Bragg, you have quarreled with every officer in the army, and now you are quarreling with yourself!”‘

  • Bobby

    Punishment should no more cruel nor unusual than the crime.

  • Jeff

    “I have concluded that the death sentence makes no sense to me at this point when you can have life without the possibility of parole,”

    That is the problem with the judge.. It isn’t up to him to decide if it makes sense, only if it is constitutional. When a judge says this, he should be removed from the bench.

  • Walter
  • Skip

    Judge, it’s not for you to decide what society gets from a penalty. You decide if it’s consistent with state and federal constitutions. Period. Haven’t you learned anything?

  • LandSteward

    I like the way people will vilify anyone with a pro-life stance and completely try to disqualify them from holding high court appointments or elected positions. Yet, here we see how we have a man who flip-flopped (in political parlance), and is or will in the very near future be lauded as a man of integrity, and enlightenment. Sadly, we have a health-care reform, (Obamacare) that will take aging and older citizens and deny them a right to life, however extended it may be, vis-a-vis life saving treatment, and meanwhile the person/s who have earned the death penalty get any treatment that they want. They get extended life, through the so-called enlightened society, while the victims of their crimes get no such chance.

    I’m for the death penalty and I believe that is the least that the killer could do to make a show of remorse for the act of taking another’s life. Now, I don’t believe that there should be a death penalty for any negligent or accidental homicide. (These would not have a death penalty associated with them anyhow, but I just want to clarify for the daft among the readers here.)

  • mitch

    I didn’t think judges were allowed to rewrite law. Aren’t they just supposed to rule cases based on legislation that has become law to make sure the law is followed?

  • jeff

    “For years he was a member of a foursome — two Democrats and two moderate Republicans ” – What?! NO label for the 2 democratic judges. Nice biased writing!!

  • joeyboy

    What is to be gained? What do you do if a slimeball kills someone in prison? Give him another life sentence? Put him in solitary for life? The logic is ridiculous. BS court decisions about cruel and inhuman punishment make it hard for prisons to truly punish someone for their crime, except incarceration.

  • Cato

    What good is a death penalty when there’s life without parole? Simple. Sparing the taxpayers the expensive indignity of warehousing irredeemable, unrepentant serial offenders with air conditioning and cable TV at the expense of the State they support through taxes. There are some people that cannot be reformed and can never be forgiven, and it is for those cases that the death penalty does and should continue to exist.

  • oldtaxpayer01

    Well; as you know money makes a difference.

  • oldtaxpayer01

    Yes and they all need to face election for it to reflect democracy.

  • Cato

    It’s the appeals process that costs so much, not the particular sentence. And you either assume erroneously that those sentenced to life without parole don’t appeal their judgments either, or are making omissions to try to score political points.

  • Cato

    This is true. Look at how Norway is unable to give Anders Brevik a permanent punishment for the Oslo bombings and shootings. Just 22 years max sentence, with possibility for extensions. This is what Liberalism (a wrongly usurped name if there ever was) leads to. Is this the kind of world you want to live in, where in 22 years, an activist judge might let a sociopathic zealot that’s killed 70+ people out of prison to kill more?

  • mmilesll

    And I’ll bet he is a democrat.

  • Cato

    What is the value of a human life? Very high.

    With that in mind, what is the value of a person who takes lives without remorse? Whatever the going rate for 20 feet of rope.

    A civilization that does not protect its people will soon cease to be a civilization at all.

  • M Bauman

    This imbecile should be impeached and removed from the bench.
    If he wants to advocate for abolition of the death penalty he should
    do so as a state legislator.
    Rendering a personal opinion on a laws efficacy is not part of his
    current job description.

  • http://otritt.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/ohio-justice-rejects-death-penalty-law-that-he-authored-30-years-ago/ Ohio Justice rejects death-penalty law that he authored 30 years ago « Over the Rhine and Into the Tiber

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  • jlh

    What then should be the punishment for a prisoner serving a life sentence without chance of parole, who decides he wants to kill a guard or fellow prisoner?

  • illumifi

    “I have concluded that the death sentence makes no sense to me at this point when you can have life without the possibility of parole,” Pfeifer said in his most recent public comments, testifying in December in favor a bill to abolish Ohio’s law. “I don’t see what society gains from that.”

    I would invert that statement, what good does it do society to keep a murderer or rapist alive in a concrete block until they die on their own.

  • Mahhn

    “I don’t see what society gains from that.” Are you Farking kidding me? we save millions by not feeding and housing people that are only distructive to society.

  • kruhulik

    TheTRUTH, Have you personally known Maximum Prison Inmates guilty of murder? I worked in Maximum Security housing units for 9 years. I heard an inmate talking to another inmate and he was stating that he never had it so good. He had his own private cell, cableTV, and library books, food, necessary living provisions were brought to him by staff. He wanted for nothing. So please don’t make it sound so terrible. I knew some inmates who told me that when they were released that they planned to commit another crime so that they could be sentenced to more years in prison as they WANTED to stay in prison. That is the truth.

  • klg1956

    I hope Ned will watch the youtube “abortion: the silent scream” and then be an advocate for those womb inmates who are murdered with the help of a doctor via an injection. The only difference is the child (and yes it it a child because if you didn’t abort it, you’d have a child in 9 months) is innocent, innocent but found guilty under the Roe vs Wade law and put to death…….maybe Roe vs Wade should be enhanced to abort the woman with the child/murder two birds with one stone, hum?….I’d opt for that…seems fair to me, if you are in favor of abortion, you surely would have no problem with that, right?

  • Dan

    The bigger issue for me is that I don’t want to have to pay for the incarceration. If someone faces the death penalty, my perception is that our society has tagged them as nothing but pure evil in human form. In that case, how do any of us justify keeping such evil on the planet? And if we do, how do we justify all paying to keep it housed among us? My argument instead is that justice, where it concerns true evil, should be swift and that includes the administering of the death penalty.

  • BFC Cpl Jack

    It is not the judge’s duty to agree with the law only apply it as written regardless of his “feelings” on the matter
    .
    It is interesting to note that Harry Blackmun, author of Roe v. Wade and who rivals Stalin and Mao in total deaths, has washed his hands of the death issue. How genteel he must have felt. Never mind that his abortionist wife was the source of the medical opinion that fetuses were not “persons” that caused abortion to be an approved opinion.

    The necessary conditions for the application of the death penalty are specifically cited and sanctioned three separate times in the US Constitution. Therefore it is NOT unconstitutional!!! IT is as they say, “Black Letter Law”.

    1) Amendment V “No person shall be held to answer for a capital crime…”
    2) Amendment V “…nor deprived of life, liberty, or property …”
    3) Amendment XIV “…any state deprive any person of life, liberty. or property…”

    Since at the time of the writing of the Constitution the death penalty was a not uncommon practice, generally by firing squad or more commonly by hanging, which was indeed some times by prolonged strangulation torturous though it may be, the phrase banning “cruel AND unusual” is not exculpatory.

  • Buckeye Physicist

    Only ONE execution in history ever brought anyone back from the dead: Jesus’ death on the cross. His sacrificial death, in fact, allows for all of us to enter heaven should we repent, be converted, and baptized for the remission of sins through Christ’s grace.

    Placing a murderer behind bars for life accomplishes the same thing as capital punishment: The murderer dies in prison but on a date set by God, not by the state.

  • Sean Scullly

    If ignorance is bliss, you are one happy camper.

    We do not save millions when we execute someone. It costs millions of dollars to convict someone of a capital crime and it costs millions more to see the execution to completion. Therefor it is cheaper to feed and house these individuals who are destructive to society.

    One can make a cojent argument that the death penalty is just and/or benefiicial, but you are not that one.

  • BigBingo

    Do Unto Others!

  • Sam Vaughn

    Let me guess, another Democrat who easily compromises his conscience at the same time redefining abortion as something different…….

  • Old-guy

    Lot’s of feeling here on both sides to respect but the truth is….If you believe in the death penelty…you ain’t pro-life.

  • Paul

    Glock + 25c bullet or Me paing forever for retirement center! Cost counts judge no only morals. Dead is not penalty but should be refeard as elimination from society – forever.

  • allness

    If also you believe you or others can be murdered without deterring…you ain’t pro-life.

  • K_Teeters

    Hummmm….life in prison for losing my cool ?
    What kind of EXAMPLE is this to any young mind

    In NC we had a 20 & 17 yr old kill a Univ of NC student president….
    for cash on hand and a few bank withdrawls…
    The 20 yr old admitted the shotgun to the head..to avoid the DEATH PENALTY
    The 17 yr old was too YOUNG (???) for the death penalty

    So what are the in-efficient lawyers (-2m$ / case) teaching the
    American youth ?

    Some may be innocent….but MANY are beyond DOUBT !

  • BFC Cpl Jack

    I’m just hanging out killing time here reading the gallows humor about electrocution. Ain’t that a shot in the arm.

  • BFC Cpl Jack

    I got an idea. When prisons are ruled by some judge to be over crowded let it be his job to pick the ones to be executed to relieve that over crowding. Let them “escape” through the gas chamber.

  • deepcover

    My only problem with the death penalty is we don’t use it enough!

  • WereTurtle

    It is only revenge if the family of the victim gets to pull the switch. Otherwise, it is the lawful execution of a criminal.

  • Marc Cask

    “I don’t see what society gains from that.”

    Society gain the economic advantage of not having to feed, house, clothe, and otherwise support and inmate for the rest of his natural life. Simply economics.

  • cd

    This is the exact reason to stop judge for LIFE,the day this man stepped into the judge job he is set for LIFE,higher taxes mean nothing he and his family are protected more by the law. This statement show’s you out of touch these judges get after 20-30 year’s on the bench and a pension LARGER than most will EARN IN THERE BEST YEAR!

  • Dennis

    You, Sir need to step down and relinquish your position to a person with a firm foundation and unwavering morals. There is no such thing as life without the possibility of parole. As soon as the prison gets full, you idiots free the wrong people who then go out and repeat their crimes. Empty the prisons of violent offenders the right way and purge our society of this insanity!

  • 31workingman

    “I don’t see what society gains from that”.

    Well, Justice Pfeifer, I gain some of my tax money back which goes to support these animals for the rest of their lives.

    But then, I’m not fortunate enough to live on your kind of salary.

  • olegunny

    Get this thing off the bench.

  • ruth takahashi

    They should impeach this judge, or vote him out of office

  • BFC Cpl Jack

    Not so!! We are pro innocent life and pro guilty death. If you can not distinguish the essential difference then you are a true liberal. You must fart to part your hair!

  • Ralph Itchikutchi

    Immediately!!!

  • Ursus Magnus

    Democrats LOVE criminals and especially murderers. They elected onr president.

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  • Shagnaz

    mccormack9 on February 18, 2011 My avcdie for a best man speech: (1) Write some bullet point notes. (2) Keep it under a minute unless your a professional speaker. (3) Make a joke yet keep it clean. Grandma does not want to hear about the threesome you and the best man had with Sally on spring break.

  • Peter

    Mf3wił mi np. pewien aorwpsławny, że spowiednicy-mnisi są znacznie bardziej rygorystyczni pod względem antykoncepcji niż ich koledzy-księża żonaci (to wiele mf3wi). Ale i w tym jest właśnie ta wspaniała rf3żnorodność wewnętrzna aorwpsławia.To prawda, dzisiaj kojarzy się mnichf3w z w pewien sposf3b rozumianą ascezą , czyli rf3wnież właśnie z ogromnym rygoryzmem. I na pewno jest to faktycznie codzienność w wielu monasterach i wspf3lnotach, zwłaszcza że to o nich słyszy się najbardziej zdumiewające historie fanatyzmu w rodzaju aorwpsławie albo śmierć (w Polsce jest taka enklawka, mianowicie monaster w Ujkowicach ). Ta rf3żnorodność wewnętrzna i tutaj daje o sobie jednak znać w ogromnym stopniu i pokazuje coś z tej ustawicznej dychotomii rygorf3w i norm Kościoła nauczającego (tej koncepcji aorwpsławie teoretycznie nie zna, ale praktyka już temu przeczy)oraz wspf3lnoty/świadomości Kościoła-wydarzenia czy Kościoła-sobornego. Mianowicie znajdujemy w historii absolutnie unikatowe postaci świętych mnichf3w, w wypadku ktf3rych to nie ilość korzonkf3w i mchu spożytego na pustelni decyduje o sławie. Oni właściwie zupełnie przeczą tej ascetyczno-cnotliwej masce monastycyzmu i człowiek nie może oprzeć się wrażeniu, że odsłaniają coś z innej rzeczywistości, do ktf3rej większość z nas po prostu nie dorosła. Taki jest np św. Serafim z Sarowa czy św. Sylwan Atoski jeden rozdawał każdemu komunię i znany był ze swojej niesłychanej wręcz penitencjarnej wyrozumiałości, drugi ogłaszał natomiast światu tragedię dusz w piekle i śmiertelnie poważnie wierzył, że nie może być to sprawiedliwe. Obaj są świętymi, chociaż trudno powiedzieć, że zgadzali się z ortodoksją powszechności , czy że szczegf3lnie rozpowszechnia się i wychwala ich postawę owszem, sprzedaje się ikonki, trochę aforyzmf3w i stwierdza, że byli to wielcy ludzie, ktf3rzy mogli się zapędzić , a nam bezpieczniej jest powrf3cić do katechizmu.Na co dzień aorwpsławie i aorwpsławni spowiednicy żyją czerwonymi książeczkami w rodzaju 60 porad moralnych ojca Arseniusza z Watopedu czy publikacjami o spowiedzi, w ktf3rych wylicza się grzechy i zajadle piętnuje malakie (masturbacje). Od wyżyn do nizin, innymi słowy. To zresztą w ogf3le dylemat całego Kościoła, ktf3ry od uniesienia Ewangelii spada do legalizmu Magisterium, by potem czasem go przekraczać. I chyba na razie tak musi być.Mocno zabrzmiała opinia Loukasa o “ciemnogrodzie”. Gdyby nie pisał tego członek PAKP…ale chyba rozumiem sens – sam kilka razy spotkałem się z duchownymi, ktf3rzy są wręcz dumni z pewnego zapf3źnienia cywilizacyjnego i kulturowego NIEKTd3RYCH społeczności aorwpsławnych (podkreślam). Tak jakby tradycja miała być archaiczna, miast żywa.Oczywiście rf3wnież miałem na myśli tylko niektf3re wspf3lnoty, chociaż muszę ze smutkiem przyznać, że tę atmosferę czuć niestety dość powszechnie. Pamiętam jak mf3j krakowski batiuszka grzmiał na kazaniu o odstępstwie, ktf3re zamierzają popełnić ewangelicy dopuszczając kobiety do kapłaństwa (co zresztą było bzdurą, ciągle nie mogą się na to zdecydować nie wiem skąd wtedy czerpał informację ) i nigdy wcześniej nie widziałem go chyba tak przejętym. Do tego oczywiście kobiety w spf3dniczkach i chustkach, cała ta atmosfera ortodoksyjnej religijności ma to swf3j urok, niewątpliwie, i z pewnością nie powinno się też wypominać tego tym ludziom jak przestępstwa czy wstydu, choć uważam, że istotnie daje to jednak wyraz pewnej ogf3lnej postawie życiowej. Tradycja w takim ujęciu staje się prawie wyłącznie typikonem , obyczajem czy rytuałem, a przestaje być żywą inspirację i owszem, wtedy zamiera. Ta przypadłość na pewno dotyczy aorwpsławia i można tylko mieć nadzieję, że powoli zacznie się to zmieniać. Na Zachodzie z kolei konserwatywny ton nadają temu Kościołowi tabuny konwertytf3w uciekających przez taką czy inną liberalną herezją swoich wspf3lnot, dolewając swoim neofickim zaangażowaniem oliwy to ognia tej ogf3lnej aorwpsławnej reakcji . Przywiązanie do tradycji i moralna czystość wobec wątpliwości, ktf3re przynosi wiele nowych wyborf3w podejmowanych przez rf3żne Kościoły to waluta aorwpsławia. I słusznie zdaje sobie ono sprawę, że zapewnia mu stały napływ rozczarowanych wiernych. Dlatego trudno liczyć na odnowę aorwpsławia przez kontakt z zachodnią refleksją teologiczną czy etyczną, chociaż czasem zdarzają się i tu wyjątki np. o. Klinger.

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